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Wednesday, May 28th, 2008
Catch 22 for BHO

Poor Obama. He just can't seem to get rid of Hillary. She won't go away, and her husband is an ex-President who became famous with quite a few folks.

How in the world is Obama supposed to pick a VP?

If it's Hillary, he probably retains all her supporters and has a surge for November. BUT, then he's got BILL in the foreground of his whole Presidency, and it becomes really, really hard for Obama to look like the leader (if he won) with a 2-termer in the wings. Not to mention, Bill has gone after Obama HARD. Even more reason Obama would not want him around. But has Hillary stuck around to make her case for VP? Could the two even get along? I have lots of doubts about that, but Obama could also be in a lot of trouble without her supporters.

If it's not Hillary, then who? John Edwards? Maybe, but he has a much weaker following and is a bit of a re-tred. One of the Virginia 3? Mark Warner, Jim Webb, or Tim Kaine? I still think one of these guys is the best pick, Warner and Webb having an edge on Kaine, and maybe helping the Dems carry Virginia which might swing the whole election. Still, no Hillary might mean losing lots of her supporters to McCain or to staying home. Plus, Hillary probably starts to get 2012 aspirations (her last chance), and might work undercover to get Obama defeated.

I'm not voting Obama, but I do pity this choice. (By the way, McCain absolutely nailed him today- asked why he's willing to meet with the Iranian President but not Gen. Petraeus- ouch!) He's got the toughest decision of his life ahead of him the next 2-3 months.

To HIllary, or not to Hillary? That's the question, Barry.

23 Comments
SallyPants
1) Yeah, Obama was really pwn3d by McCain for pointing out that Obama wouldn't go to Iraq for a photo-op that would require a number of troops and resources to be diverted for the visit.
SallyPants   Wednesday, May 28, 2008
BrianHamrick
2) Who mentioned a photo-op? Come on. It would cost less than a commercial spot in Puerto Rico. The point was for Obama to truly examine whether or not we had any success in Iraq now or not, instead of just pouring out the rhetoric.
Brian   Thursday, May 29, 2008
reera
3) I will not vote for him if the Clintons are on the ticket with him.
dannie   Thursday, May 29, 2008
nikideaton
4) If Democrats don't vote because of the VP on the ticket, that is just giving another vote to the other party. I am an Obama supporter, but the Clintons did great things in office. Do we really want another 4 years of what we have right now?
niki   Thursday, May 29, 2008
reera
5) No we don't but I have very strong personal issues with Bill Clinton. I think Hillary should hold out for a seat on the Supreme Court or maybe Attorney General. I don't see her as a team player-look what she is doing to her own party. I will write in a candidate rather than vote for another war monger.Honestly, I rarely get into politics but I do have a strong conviction on the issue of the Clintons.
dannie   Thursday, May 29, 2008
George
6) I'm going to vote for someone who I've not heard of yet. My vote is more against the 2 party duopoly than anything but having said that, I'm going to check out the rest of the candidates and vote for the person who holds the values and policies that most closely resemble my opinions.
LimeyGeorge   Thursday, May 29, 2008
reera
7) and thats the way it should be.:>
dannie   Thursday, May 29, 2008
nikideaton
8) I agree that you should vote for who you want, but I honestly I don't think any one candidate is going to have everything we are looking for. I don't agree with Bill Clinton cheating on his wife in any way, but that is between them. I care about who can run our country and do the best things with our money, soldiers, healthcare, etc. Maybe Bush did not cheat on his wife, but a lot of people have died in Iraq because of him and his administration that he appointed and that to me is way worse than infidelity.
niki   Thursday, May 29, 2008
BrianHamrick
9) niki- of course, if we had found documents in Saddam's mansion that said, "Nuke USA, August 2, 2004" and then found the actual bombs, we wouldn't be having this discussion on whether or not we should have gone to war. Everyone in the world thought Iraq was dangerous; turns out, it was more fear gone wild. I'm usually GOP, but I will say the last 4 years have been largely a giant waste of time. Here's the run down:

Bush presents Social Security reform, fails, goes back in cave.

Bush feels pressure about Iraq war, finally listens to McCain, implements surge, goes back in cave.

Did I miss anything? The guy is the anti-Reagan in terms of communicating with people.
Brian   Thursday, May 29, 2008
BrianHamrick
10) Anyone else want to tackle my actual blog post question? I think I've got a vote from dannie, a response from LimeyGeorge, and... some other interesting conversation loosely connected :^) If you were Obama, would you take Hillary on the ticket?
Brian   Thursday, May 29, 2008
nikideaton
11) I don't have anything against Obama putting Hillary on the ticket, but I don't think he should because I don't think VP is where she wants to be. Also, last I heard John Edwards said he was no longer interested in being in the Whitehouse (but I guess he could change his mind).
niki   Thursday, May 29, 2008
spike
12) I don't think Obama should run with Hillary. I would prefer Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius. She has been great at bringing together both sides of the aisle in a republican state. It doesn't hurt that she is a woman either :) I think many of Hillary's supporters have great respect for Kathleen Sebelius. I have always liked John Edwards but I don't think it will happen.
Spike   Thursday, May 29, 2008
BrianHamrick
13) I don't know much about Sebelius, but she'd have a lot going for her as a woman and getting elected in such a red state as Kansas says a lot.

I suppose we also need to remember, a sincere speech from Hillary to concede and have her supporters back Obama probably undoes almost all the division right now. That is still an "if," but certainly possible.

Everyone said how divided the Republicans were 6 months ago with 5 major candidates, and now they are pretty strongly unified behind McCain. The division can be breached pretty quickly.
Brian   Thursday, May 29, 2008
spike
14) I agree Brian. In the end I think the party will be united with the exception of a few rogue voters. But, usually the rogue voters have another candidate like Nader to vote for. It doesn't look like that will be the case this round.
Spike   Thursday, May 29, 2008
SallyPants
15) I was encouraged this past weekend while talking to an ultra-conservative family member. He can't get behind McCain so he's voting for the Libertarian candidate, Bob Barr. Maybe Barr is the conservative Nader this year?
SallyPants   Thursday, May 29, 2008
SallyPants
16) And, yes, I believe McCain's "offer" to Obama about going to Iraq was a stunt, pure political malarkey. If that's the best McCain can do to attack Obama, then wake me up when President Obama gets sworn in.

By the way, who is this Hillary person everyone keeps mentioning?
SallyPants   Thursday, May 29, 2008
spike
17) Yeah Maybe....but Bob Barr is very wishy washy based on his record. I don't know if he will be able to get enough support to cause any real impact.
Spike   Thursday, May 29, 2008
_DELETED_hayley
18) Maybe this nation needs an administrations that doesn't fully "get along". Could be good for citizens, I think.
hayley   Thursday, May 29, 2008
daveheinzel
19) @Brian: "Everyone in the world thought Iraq was dangerous"

Everyone in the world did not endorse this war, that's the issue. Clinton did. Obama did not. Finding evidence after invading a country doesn't make the action justifiable (not that we actually found any evidence).

Besides, the world was scared of Iraq because the media was telling us to be, because that's what the White House was telling them. It was not an accident that we were all scared of Iraq right before the war.
Dave Heinzel   Thursday, May 29, 2008
dazedpink
20) "Besides, the world was scared of Iraq because the media was telling us to be, because that's what the White House was telling them."

sorry to hijack your blog Brian but I just wanted to respond to Dave's statement. While I agree to a point (the media blows things out of proportion all the time, remember the summer of the shark attacks?) I have to respectfully disagree with your statement that that is THE reason the world was scared of Iraq. My closest friend is Chaldean--a Christian Iraqi. He was born and raised in America, but had family living in Iraq under Hussein's rule. One of his uncle's was forced to fight against the US in the first Gulf War even though he was against it, threatened that his family would be killed if he didn't fight. In the time between the two wars almost all of his family was able to leave, bringing with them horrifying stories about the rule under Saddam. So yes, the media does exaggerate and spends way too much time trying to tell us what to think, but there was also a reason to be afraid of Iraq. (maybe not the fear of WMD's, which many believed they had before the war started, but definitely about rule under Hussein.)

As for who Obama should pick as a running mate...I don't know enough about the dems (other than Hil) to comment.
Jules   Thursday, May 29, 2008
_DELETED_hayley
21) To be fair, Dave, Senators were lied to as well.

Not that I condone preemptive war - but the administration really twisted 9-11 into something it wasn't and pulled the wool over many citizen and political eyes.
hayley   Thursday, May 29, 2008
BrianHamrick
22) I hate the idea of war, and I hate the idea of pre-emptive war even more. Problem is, no one knows what the rules are in a nuclear age. Iran seems like more of a dangerous to us now than Iraq ever was.

I agree with hayley, and I disagree with hayley about the administration. On the one hand, every credible intelligence agency in the world believed Iraq had WMD before the war, and there was history of Saddam using them on his own people. We had reason to fear, or so we thought. On the other hand, out of fear to try and keep support for the war, the administration did goofy things like "Mission Accomplished" and so forth to try to keep momentum going. They got too political, and less practical. And they probably won't own up to those mistakes until at least 2015, when it won't help anyone.
Brian   Thursday, May 29, 2008
BrianHamrick
23) Sally- a pure stunt? Going to a war scene you have not been to in 2 years, but yet use as your political football is a stunt? Please.

On the other hand, Obama had no answer to the challenge. Go with McCain, and it only helps McCain. Go alone, and it was still McCain with the suggestion. Don't go at all, and you look even more foolish. McCain will ride that one out all the way to November if he has to.

The real problem here is that Obama has hardly been there or had substantive conversation with generals to really know what is going on there. McCain IS being political, but wise, to expose this failure in Obama's judgment.
Brian   Thursday, May 29, 2008
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