Thursday, July 8th, 2010Fed lawsuit Against Az illegal immigration The federal govt recently sued the State of Arizona over its illegal immigration law that was recently passed. The basis of the govt's argument was that it was the Fed's job and not the State's job to enforce immigration.
Lets be perfectly clear here. This lawsuit was 100% politics based. The democratic party is courting the hispanic vote and they believe this is good politics. A couple of problems that I have with this lawsuit:
1. The fact of the matter is that the federal govt is doing a horrible job of enforcing the laws and some would argue that they intentionally turn a blind eye to the problem. I find it comical that they are suing Az for essentially doing the job that THEY are suppose to do. All of this would go away if the feds (and I blame Bush here too) would do their job.
2. If the President were sincere then he also would have sued the State of Rhode Island which passed its own immigration laws a few years back. Believe it or not, every state trooper is required to ask for proof of citizenship when they pull over a suspect. If the trooper believes the person is illegal they have to turn them over to ICE. There have been little or no problems with this approach and yet you dont hear about the success of this program from the mainstream media.
The President gave a speech the other day on immigration reform and yet once again it was heavy on generalities and short on specifics. Again Mr. President, please take a leadership stance on this issue, even if I disagree with you, I want you to grow a pair.
For example:
1.Do you support amnesty?
2. Do you support criminally prosecuting those that hire illegals?
3. Are you for expanding the guest worker program?
In short Mr. President, what is your stance?
You have a 10% unemployment rate, some say the real rate is as high as 16 or 17%, in this country and Americans cant find jobs. The illegals keep coming here, why? Because they can find jobs. These illegals are taking Americans jobs; and not just the low wage ones either. Here is a specific example: I live in a middle class neighborhood. My neighbor was a butcher in Beardstown. He lost his job to what he believes is an illegal mexican and subsequently had to foreclose on his house. That put a strain on his marriage and he had to get a divorce. Their little girl went to school with my son and the whole situation was just horrible as she went with her Mom back to Chicago. His job wasnt a $4/hr job but one that paid above a living wage. Now it has gone to, again to what he believes, was an illegal. ICE has raided the Beardstown plant several times and yet they keep hiring more and more illegals. Until they deport the illegals and jail the employers, nothing will change.
I'm not saying I agree with or don't agree with the laws or practices in either state. But that is my understanding as to why the fed gov't has not sued in RI.
They cannot go up to a family getting ice cream and not breaking the law for no reason other than that they suspect they are illegal.
Looking forward to hearing your comments on the other points. Thanks for commenting.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
They don't have to be mutually exclusive. The world is not black and white, and I think your neighbor is made up to make your point.
I didnt make it up and I really dont want to provide any more information on these folks as I dont want to name names.
I mean it was a horrible story and I got a first hand view of the entire process. I dont know why ICE doesnt raid the plant more often.
Brewer's statement was stupid. I think we should legalize drugs and take the incentive away from drug dealers and gangbangers.
Also, you only have heard about a portion of the key piece of the law. The mainstream media tends to not promote the fact that there is an extension of the law that says "upon lawful contact". They just cant stop you for being a suspected illegal or being hispanic or getting ice cream.
But you are correct in the sense that we seem to be making it complicated.
And if what you say is true about many Americans are willing to take almost any job, then why would you want to limit the number of those jobs available? Illegals are taking many many jobs that could be going to Americans. And it is not just in the fields. There are many union construction workers who are being underbid by groups of illegals.
Another specific example: Another friend of mine who lives in St Louis needed a lot of landscaping done on his 2 acre property. He was receiving bids from American contractors for around $3500. A hispanic crew boss who was doing other work in his neighborhood found out about the work needed and said his group would do it for $700 cash. He had a crew of 8 guys working a full 2 days to get the work done. It was quite obvious they were illegal. Now I think my friend is not innocent on this, but at the end of the day, the money went to what were likely illegals.
And Bean... using such racial slurs only confirms and feeds the darkest parts of your heart and serves to inflate others disdain towards you. Please realize/remember the grace and mercy of Christ that has been extended towards you, and pass it on to others... even those you dislike.
My brother's inlaws are 2nd generation Mexican. They are very pro-family, hardworking, and smart. Many of them are doctor's and will go out of their way to help you.
This legal/illegal issue has nothing to do with racism. I dont care if these people were from Europe, Canada, or Timbuktoo; the issue is that they have broken the law, are stealing our jobs, and Americans are hurting. White, black, green, and legal hispanic Americans are all suffering because of this epidemic. Our already tight budgets are being further stressed, our national guard, and local police forces are being stressed, and our school systems are being stressed. As much as I would like to accept illegals into our society, we are ultimately a civilized society and must adhere and enforce our laws. Otherwise chaos will ultimately ensue.
This, also, is hardly any different than shipping nearly all of our manufacturing jobs to China and elsewhere. Those jobs had a huge impact on our economy. Residential landscaping and very cheap construction didn't exist until there was a market for it. We have to value our people, and be willing to keep our neighbors employed by buying products and services that actually employ them if this is going to change.
I thought you guys understood 'trickle down' economics? It works in reverse as well.
Although I am hard on illegals, I have not nor probably ever will question their work ethic. The nature of my friends landscaping was mostly labor. And the illegals were working for about $4-5 dollars/hr.
i often see day job lines filled with hispanics, likely illegals, but very few of other races. I wonder why that is?
But the point of my recent example was that this coyote had 7 illegals working for him and was paying them crap.
Tyson foods was well known, for years, for paying managers to organize and arrange to have illegals brought in through Texas and then provided said illegals with false paperwork and id's in order to hire them at less payrates than american workers.
Again, I agree with your last post. I am not saying that I agree with what my buddy did, but when you are looking at 1/5th the cost it could be quite tempting. By hiring these illegals, Americans were not able to do the work.
So the next question is now that we agree that this is a problem, is what to do about it.
rick, so you're assuming that i or anyone who disagrees with the new az immigration policy is uninformed because we only get our information from the liberal run media? damn, how can i argue against that sound logic? well, i have a friend who has a 2nd cousin that lives next to a guy that knows a guy that lives in arizona and he claims that any person of color can and will be persecuted on all trips to get ice cream with their family.
You usually tend to recognize all of the facts. However, in this particular case, it seems based on many articles and blogs I have read about this situation that Yes the left has tended to leave out that particular clause. Why?....because that clause is counter to what the left and Obama want to believe about the law: that it legally endorses racism.
The example that Obama gave about a family buying ice cream will be subjected to interrogation is complete BS.
And the 2 examples I gave are very real. My point is that if I can directly see how illegal immigration has a negative impact on legal Americans, than the problem is probably much worse.
My father in-law is a Mexican-American with dark skin (born in Peoria, IL) and my wife is half Mexican with white skin. I don't think it's fair that after being an American for 60+ years and serving in the U.S. military that he should have to carry his papers when traveling through Arizona. While my wife (and the rest of us pigmentally challenged people) are able to travel without worrying about getting thrown in jail after having dark skin and a headlight out.
My brothers' family is all from Mexico and my nephews are part Mexican American. We are not blaming mexicans but illegal aliens. Obviously many of them are from Latin America.
Regarding my neighbor the only thing I can tell you is what he told me and I have no reason to not believe him. It is common knowledge that Cargill employs illegals and there have been several raids from ICE over the past few years there.
So, I dont have 100% proof but only the word of my neighbor and strong circumstantial evidence.
But I agree the debate so far seems to be weighted only against the illegal workers and there has been little talk as to the culpability of the employers.
We should make all immigrants start wearing patches and confiscate all their belongings, right Bean?
Are your brothers' family U.S. citizens? If so, do they think that it is fair for them to have to carry their papers while traveling through Arizona while your brother does not?
I had a cookout and invited my neighbor (who I didn't know too well) over. He proceeded to tell me how he couldn't stand going to McDonald's anymore because of all the illegal immigrants working there. The people he was referring to were young Mexican-Americans that spoke English as well as any other high school student. I'm going with the assumption that they were legal.
He then went on to equally offend African-Americans, but that is another story.
My brother's wife is 1st generation. Her parents came here legally and went through the process. Her father is a doctor and she is a dermatologist. Surprisingly enough they want immediate deportation for illegals. They feel that if they had to go through the legal process then others should too. How is it fair if the illegals here get a pass? Its not.
Also, if they went through the legal process then they wouldnt be exploited like they are today.
Where does it say that you have to carry papers. That is a falsehood propagated by Obama when he gave the horrible example of claiming that kids could be approached by police while eating ice cream
If I get stopped by the police then I have to show ID; so should they.
My Mexican-American father-in-law also wants to stop people from coming into the U.S. illegally. He is fairly conservative on the issue and also thinks all Mexicans that immigrate should have to learn English. However, he also thinks the Arizona bill is unconstitutional and just promotes racial profiling. He recently has seen a huge change is the way people treat him and Mexicans in general.
I know that you can't just open the borders and make it a free-for-all, but you can't really fault people for wanting to make a better life for their families. If my family was starving, I wouldn't wait in a bread line for 10 years, I would steal a loaf. Lets not demonize them (I know you are not, but some people are). We are just lucky to be born in this country.