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Wednesday, February 16th, 2011

The Day Humzoo Agreed on Something

I've been avoiding posting a new blurb because I didn't want to erase all the interesting comments from an earlier blurb in November. So I decided to copy and paste them into a blog in order to preserve them for ALL ETERNITY. In other words, nothing new to see here.

Sad that California's Prop 19 didn't pass. I wish all the people that voted against it were content enough not to smoke pot themselves, and let other people make their own decisions.
Wednesday, November 3, 2010

1) i agree with your views on this subject.
BeanCounter37 Wednesday, November 3, 2010

2) 100% agree.
Jules Wednesday, November 3, 2010

3) Amen. Well-said, SP.
! Wednesday, November 3, 2010

4) BeanCounter & I agree on something, and my Mom and I are on the same side of the legalization debate.

Today might be a good day to keep an eye out for the 4 horsemen.
SallyPants Wednesday, November 3, 2010

5) I just assumed Bean misunderstood what you wrote. lol
JimTheLimey Wednesday, November 3, 2010

6) I'm busy printing this blurb on some rolling paper. 4:20!!!
EyePulp Wednesday, November 3, 2010

7) I am even for the legalization of Pot. I am shocked that it did not pass.
RickMonday Wednesday, November 3, 2010

8) Damn, I am shocked that Bean and RM are on this boat, too! I'm with ya, baby! Well, except for the 4 horsemen...
pegi Wednesday, November 3, 2010

9) I can only assume you're speaking of the professional wrestling unit and not the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
Denny Deaton Wednesday, November 3, 2010

10) pegi,

Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol and since I drink my fair share of alcohol I cant really tell people not to smoke pot. I havent done pot myself but only because it is illegal. I am somewhat surprised at the high percentage of people I know that do smoke pot though.

If we legalize it, we can grow it, tax it, keep people out of prison, and stop some of the gang activity. All upsides in my mind.

Plus I have a relative in law who severely hurt her back 20 plus years ago when someone pulled a chair out from underneath her and has had multiple spinal fusions. The only way she can make it through the pain each and every day is through smoking pot. It is a heck of a lot less damaging than does pain killers.

I bet big pharma is against legalizing pot. Its too easy to grow on your own and their billions of profits from pain killers would go down the tubes. If we had a leader with some real guts he/she would push for legalizing it. Too many upsides to not do it.
RickMonday Wednesday, November 3, 2010

11) I was listening to NPR and evidently there were a lot of unrealistic "strings" tied to it plus, surprise, surprise, politics. There are a lot of people who like the way things are because they profit from it as Rick mentioned. At least it has caused some serious and thoughtful discussions and hopefully we will see it legalized in our lifetime.
dannie Wednesday, November 3, 2010

12) Rick, I'm with you point for point.

Is this a political issue we all actually agree on? Is humzoo going to implode???
SallyPants Wednesday, November 3, 2010

13) Yep, I agree with everything Rick said, too. Maybe we do need to be looking for the horsemen.
pegi Thursday, November 4, 2010

14) "I havent done pot myself but only because it is illegal." - RickMonday.

that sentence speaks volumes, haha, Rick, you should run for president. !!
JimTheLimey Friday, November 5, 2010

15) http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/01/alcohol.harm/index...

My guess is if/when other drugs are legalized they will be abused more so, just like alcohol has. Maybe not...just my opinion...
Good News Friday, November 5, 2010

16) I wonder why LSD was not addressed in that CNN article? Of all that I tried in my wild days, LSD was certainly the most damaging to my brain. I can recall the negative effects lasting months.
Good News Friday, November 5, 2010

17) Jim,

Ha, they wont run me out on that item but I am sure they can find other skeletons!
RickMonday Friday, November 5, 2010

18) Good News, so are you suggesting that alcohol be banned? Or that we tailor our laws to serve the lowest common denominator?
SallyPants Friday, November 5, 2010

19) Not at all. Just making an observation and stating an opinion. I think the article points to the fact (although it says nothing like this) that it being legal makes it more susceptible for wide spread use and abuse. Just look at Rick, if pot were legal he may smoke it... How scary of a proposition is that? LOL
Good News Friday, November 5, 2010

20) By the way... I disagree with the article's findings big time. I had plenty of first hand experience with many of these drugs up into my mid 20's and can testify to the way they control your desires... Cocaine, if it were legal, I believe would ruin many more lives. It almost did mine.
Good News Friday, November 5, 2010

21) Well, wait a minute... It wasn't cocaine that did anything to me... it was me abusing it, yet it does have captivating power...
Good News Friday, November 5, 2010

22) Thanks for the article Good News. However, I dont think it was detailed enough and left a lot of unanswered questions.

I dont "believe" just based on personal observations, nothing scientific mind you that Pot would be a stepping stone to more severe drugs or lead to more widespread abuse. Again, I am currently shocked at how many people in all walks of life from controllers of fortune 500 companies to doctors to CIO's that I know who smoke pot recreationaly. I would argue that properly regulated it would be safer than alcohol with more medicinal benefits. Plus I believe it is healthier than prescription pain killers.

If it were legal, I would probably try it and would probably use it. Would I abuse it? That is where personal responsibility comes into play. Technically I abuse alcohol because I have 5-6 beers in one sitting more than once a year. Do I consider myself an alcoholic or an abuser? No. Could I legally drink a bottle of vodka a day if I chose to? Yes, but would I? No. I think the same standards would have to apply with Pot.

Many of the people who I know who smoke it now, in their early middle ages, did smoke a lot of it in high school, college, and their early 20's but I drank more back then too. So, there may be a study that proves me wrong, but I have come to not believe that legalizing pot would make our entire country into a bunch of potheads.
RickMonday Friday, November 5, 2010

23) GN, if the point of your comments is that abusing drugs (whatever form they take) is bad, then I would agree. Not sure how you're relating that to the legalization issue.

Alcohol may destroy individual lives, but it gives birth to great civilizations:
SallyPants Friday, November 5, 2010

24) I'm not taking a position at all on legalization of pot. I think it's a fairly benign drug, although it made me slow and stupid, that's why I never liked it. I was just stating my belief that legalizing some of the other drugs would result in more abuse. Now when it comes to beer... I love it. Sometimes too much... Here is my take on drugs and how they affected me and many of my friends.

Alcohol... This video says it all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN0254u56Mc
Pot and hashish/opium makes you slow and stupid
Cocaine gives you a sense of euphoria that enhances many pleasures... very addicting
LSD twists your brain in many directions and plays on your subconscious fears
Meth-amphetamines keep you charged up regardless of the other drugs you mix with it
Mushrooms have a similar effect as LSD
Mescaline is similar to cocaine but has some LSD properties to it
All of them are significant mind altering, judgement impairment substances that can be very dangerous but also can grab a hold of your desires and make you think you can't live without them. Trust me, I know first hand.
Good News Friday, November 5, 2010

25) This conversation has gone to pot.
Dave Heinzel Friday, November 5, 2010

26) There you go, calling the pot black again...
Good News Friday, November 5, 2010

27) I had a lot of up close experience with drugs. I've seen it all, but definitely did not do it all. I knew, even when I was a stupid teenager with a bowl cut, that certain substances were never intended to enter my body. Some of my friends, on the other hand, had no filter or restraint, and a few are no longer around because of that.

I say the following only because I watched(and watched out for) those guys for years, and it seemed pretty obvious to me, even at a young age. I think abuse of any substance has to be separated from substances. I would argue that personalities and situational influences are what cause and perpetuate abuse. Abuse is also subjectively defined---and I personally don't believe addiction is a disease---it's a choice, even if it's a really hard and stupid one(I realize that's not the popular view). Some people would argue that smoking pot every day is abuse, but I personally don't think it's much different than a beer or two(even though I stopped taking the pot regularly a long time ago), which is for the most part very socially acceptable......it's all about perception and personal responsibility. I would never drink a beer with my morning coffee, or get wasted at lunch just because I legally can. Being honest with ourselves and not condemning others strengths in resisting temptation can go a long way to making this a better place to live. Free market for individuals!!!!

Addiction will not go away...ever. No matter what. It doesn't have anything to do with substances....I smoked banana peels for God's sakes....it's a human condition that can only be truly dealt with through acceptance, and, dare I say it....spirituality--or the secular version of that--which is knowing better and doing something about it.

Saying all that......I understand why Californians would not want to legalize marijuana. At least while it's illegal in the rest of the country. It would become a mecca for growers, even more than it is now, and could potentially negatively affect their quality of life in a big way. i applaud their effort, but i don't blame them. It has to be federally motivated, which probably won't happen until we stop thinking we're better than everybody else, and stop trying to mandate what people do in their freedom filled, government regulation hating lives.
mattpike Friday, November 5, 2010

28) Good points... I like that free market concept Matt! It tried banana peels too! And orange peels, tea leaves, must have been some rumor that we were trying out...LOL.
Good News Saturday, November 6, 2010

A good read, SP. Thanks for preserving it for posterity.
Our children/grandchildren/great grandchildren can probably use this against us sometime in the distant future. Or not.
pegi   Wednesday, February 16, 2011
Very nice. :) Interesting that something as controversal as this would rally the widely varried troops here on humzoo indeed!!
Richie & Ashley   Wednesday, February 16, 2011
Maybe our children/grandchildren/great grandchildren will read this and see how cool and enlightened we were.
Probably not.
SallyPants   Wednesday, February 16, 2011
ha! this is a pretty good read and surprising. can't believe i missed it the first time around.

i'll support marijuana use over alcohol any day.
Dave Rock   Wednesday, February 16, 2011
Oh, enlightened we are. Yes...
pegi   Wednesday, February 16, 2011
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