Friday, June 26th, 2009
Endless Conceptions Of A Sleepless Mind
My mind rarely sleeps. I'm constantly thinking of new things to build or design. New web site concepts, product ideas, service ideas... you name it, I'm probably churning on it. It drives Niki crazy I'm sure. In fact, we're still piecing together my most recent idea, Recycled Nest. I'm not sure what exactly motivates me, I'm not dying to strike it rich or anything. I just enjoy creating things I guess. Humzoo was a result so it's not such a bad trait.

That said, I have a new idea. I bounced it off Niki via email and a ran it by a co-worker this morning over breakfast. Overall the feedback was good. I figured I'd run it by my visitors and friends on Humzoo as well. Keep in mind the idea is less than 12 hours old. It just came to me last night but I think I'm onto something.

The Idea
A super cheap web-based private chat room service. $1 per chat room, which expires in one day. Hold meetings or chat in a group, no IM client required, upload/share files, etc. Chat from a computer or a mobile device. Chat room passes could be purchased in bulk as well instead of al a carte. For example you could buy 10 chats for $10 and start a new chat room whenever you like, very simple and easy.

The Target Market
I'm still trying to figure this out. Any feedback here would be great.
  • Designed for quick, one-off meetings (or possibly extendable for $1 per day).
  • For use by anyone that needs to quickly organize a discussion; such as small businesses, organizations or personal use.
  • Invite friends, family or colleagues by email or hold a public chat quickly by sharing a public link to your chat room (no login would be required, just a screen name).
How It's Different
There are plently of chat services out there but most of what I've found either requires you to; install software on your computer, set up a formal screen name or to pay for a long-term agreement for a chatroom service. My idea comes with far less overhead and no commitment.

Just set up a chat room when you need for a very affordable price. No contracts, no obligation, no software to install... nothing formal about it. Just chat.

Outstanding Questions
While I've outlined the potential target market, I still don't know if a need exists for such a service. Would you or someone you know use this? If so, in what capacity? At work, with your family, with friends maybe? Are there other uses I haven't considered?

Feedback is greatly appreciated! Let me have it, be honest what you think about the idea. Should I move on or keep exploring the idea? I'm I on to something or just crazy?
18 Comments
RickMonday
1) We use some chat/conference call/presentation sites for work. I think that will be your money making audience. And then you would have to advertise your services, etc. Not sure you could do it for $1/chat. Nor would companies use it only for chat. They would want the telco and presentation piece too. But if you could do it cheaper, I think you would find a decent sized market.
RickMonday   Friday, June 26, 2009
dennydeaton
2) Rick,
In my mind this service could co-exist with the current full-featured conference/chat services such as the ones you mentioned(eg. LiveMeeting). Those are typically expensive and loaded/bloated with features. Their designed for large businesses only. My idea is geared towards people who don't want to deal with the expense and overhead of something like LiveMeeting, and furthermore a contract. Maybe small businesses, software developers, mommy groups, friends, families... and the list goes on...

I think it could be done for $1 a day. The data would not be stored long-term. Chat dialog and small files (10MB max) don't take up a ton of room so server storage wouldn't be a huge concern. Mainly just hosting costs.
Denny Deaton   Friday, June 26, 2009
soundchick
3) I think what you may be shooting for is similar to this: http://www.dimdim.com/products/dimdim_editions_free.html
If I am just needing to chat with someone, I usually just use Live Messenger or Googletalk. Live Messenger is already installed on any Windows pc and Googletalk I can use from inside my browser.
soundchick   Friday, June 26, 2009
RickMonday
4) I agree I think there is a market there.

The LiveMeeting and GotoMeetings are expensive and it seems you always have to make a test run before your actual conference call to see if it is set up correctly or not.

My point is that I personally dont see the huge need for the Chat only service. I think a combination of some kind has to be there.

But you might be on to something.

Good luck
RickMonday   Friday, June 26, 2009
dennydeaton
5) soundchick,
I checked out DimDim. The free version does look similar to what I'm after, but with a few more features like an audio bridge and webcam support. Thanks for sharing that.

The GoogleTalk and Live Messenger services both require a log in for all chat users. With my idea you could invite people to chat even if they don't have an account on the site (using the public share method). Would this be a huge advantage or is it safe to assume that everyone has a Google or MSN account these days?
Denny Deaton   Friday, June 26, 2009
soundchick
6) Gotomeeting doesn't exactly install anything. It's more like a browser plugin. I think the only requirement for it is you have to have Java installed. That's why my company went with it: Compatibility across platforms.

I think that if people do not have an account with a messenger type app they usually don't balk when they have to sign up for something. Especially if it's free.
soundchick   Friday, June 26, 2009
dennydeaton
7) Has anyone used or heard of Campfire (campfirenow.com)? Their chat room design is very similar to what I've envisioned for my idea, just more flexible as far as obligation goes. They charge a monthly fee. I like how they've kept the interface simple, just chatting and file sharing.
Denny Deaton   Friday, June 26, 2009
George
8) I love your imagination, Denny. I wish I had half your imagination and drive to do things but I'm a lazy oaf really.
I think you're onto a pretty good idea and you're doing the right thing in identifying a potential market before taking the plunge. I can't offer much feedback but I do think that the simplicity part is the real draw and I see there would be some situations where people would want an impromptu/spontaneous facility to converse.
LimeyGeorge   Friday, June 26, 2009
reera
9) I could see it working for families-ex. I often had to coordinate meetings with families who were long distance and spread over the country to discuss living wills and care decisions for their loved ones. I could see this being useful in long term settings. It could also work if you are trying to set up a date to coordinate a family activity which seems almost impossible sometimes.I would suggest in the marketing end of it that uou give very specific examples because there are many people who lack imagination or ability to visualize how a concept works. (really)
dannie   Friday, June 26, 2009
lgrant
10) Sounds like a great idea and Dannie brought up some good usage for it. Hope you sleep once in a while--good for that active brain. LOL
LGrant   Friday, June 26, 2009
DebHelms
11) My friend recently had to coordinate a family reunion with 5 sisters and other family members living all over the country. They were constantly sending and forwarding emails. It was very tedious and time consuming. A format like yours would have been very productive. Your mind is an amazing thing!
Deb Helms   Friday, June 26, 2009
nikideaton
12) I think you have too much time on your hands.

Here are some things you can do to feed your restless mind/body:

1. Get up with the 4 dogs and Dylan in the morning. Dylan has amazing thoughts on computers in general and Annie likes cinnamon rolls.

2. Do the laundry. Believe it or not laundry takes a lot of thinking. Sorting colors is no easy task.

3. Fix the hose out back. This is going to require a power tool! Yea!

I could go on, but giving you too much to do sometimes creates the effect of you thinking of new things to build and design...
niki   Friday, June 26, 2009
lgrant
13) Niki knows how to tame the restless beast of thinking.
LGrant   Friday, June 26, 2009
dennydeaton
14) Niki, I can probably write a function to sort the laundry for you. The hose shouldn't be hard to fix. As for "getting up early", it's safe to say you are way better at that than me. I will never be able to out do you in that role.
Denny Deaton   Friday, June 26, 2009
willnbek
15) Denny, There is no room for creativity in Daddys. Now fix yourself a Scotch and go fix the hose.
WillnBek.com   Friday, June 26, 2009
igna83
16) I think you getting up with 4 dogs and Dylan in the a.m. is a glorious idea; in fact, I'm passing Niki's first idea on to Pastafarian on Sunday morning, but he'll be short 2 dogs. And I rarely allow him to touch the laundry, though I'll let him start it and switch it after I've sorted it - I am interested in that laundry-sorting function, Denny! As far as the hose, we had an issue with our backyard hose earlier in the week, and we fixed it with a sharp knife. Good luck with your sleepless mind. I'm going to attempt to force mine to sleep now.
Angi   Friday, June 26, 2009
gotshoo
17) Check out http://www.dimdim.com/
shoo   Saturday, June 27, 2009
dennydeaton
18) Dimdim looks pretty nice. A little more than I had in mind though but seems very affordable for what all you get. The webcam and audio bridge are nice features too.
Denny Deaton   Saturday, June 27, 2009
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